To be honest, I didn't really expect both of the musicians I approached this year to be both very open to the idea of an interview and so generous with their time. But I'm definitely glad that they were, especially because you get to benefit from the chats I had with them. And during this holiday season you get two long episodes instead of one semi-long one. Win-win all around!

Brandon Walker's "Chinese Food on Christmas" isn't as Baltimore-centric as David DeBoy's song is, but it definitely has its origins in the fact that Brandon is from the Baltimore area, which is estimated to have about 100,000 people of the Jewish faith living here. Baltimore City is just under 600,000 people, so that's a pretty big chunk of matzoh, there. And, of course, he shot the video at several spots in the immediate area:

 	

 	

 	Hunt Valley Towne Centre is a local outdoor shopping mall just north of the city. And yes, they spell it like that.
 	The Senator Theatre is in the northern part of town.  You may recognize it from several John Waters films.
 	The Chinese restaurant (now gone) that appears near the end is in Owings Mills, MD. It's perhaps best known for being where the Baltimore Ravens' training facility is located.
 	And, of course, some of it was shot in his mother's basement. I don't think you can tour that or anything.





So anyway, here's my chat with Brandon:



And here's the second, fun version of the video, which Brandon posted about  13 years ago:


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164: Chinese Food on Christmas

Over the last several years, radio stations have been snapped up by large corporations. Then, as a cost-cutting measure, certain functions have been centralized. One of these has been the stations' playlists, the literal list of songs that a station has in its rotation. This has led to a homogenization of radio stations and it kind of makes them not as much fun to listen to when you travel.
That said, there are going to be variations to the playlists depending on requests and local tastes. For instance, Billboard lists the Top Song of 2022 as "Bad Habit" by Steve Lacy, but in Charlotte, North Carolina it comes out as #16 for the year.

In Baltimore, there's a Christmas-related song that's a perennial favorite among the locals. However, it gets next to zero airplay anywhere else. And the song's author and performer is fine with that, because he knows that the song is very Baltimore-centric. His name is David DeBoy, and his song is called "Crabs for Christmas."

David DeBoy is a local  theater actor, a television and movie performer, a voiceover artist, a motivational speaker, and a generally cool guy. And I'm not saying that because he responded so quickly to my request for an interview. In today's episode we spend some time talking about his career overall and some of the stories connected to "Crabs for Christmas." And I think my opening question may have caught him by surprise.



Later this week I'll have another Baltimore-oriented holiday song for you, and a chat with that song's composer and performer.

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163: Crabs for Christmas

Such a life I've had lately, what with getting Covid and then getting part of the house renovated...four weeks of a two-week project. And the job isn't even done, but that's  not the contractor's fault. (Replacement parts, don'tcha know.) And for some reason it's taking forever to put the kitchen—the whole downstairs, really—back together. 



Anyway. 



This episode takes a peek at the song that arguably became the Four Tops' signature hit.  The funny thing is, none of the Tops thought it would be a hit. What's more, none of them thought it SHOULD be a single, never mind a hit. But Berry Gordy isn't called "genius" for nothing, and  he not only released the single, he made it the lead (and title) track for their fourth album. Reach Out (the album) is definitive Four Tops, and marks the bridge between early 1960s Motown and  the  sounds they were producing in the second half of the decade. 







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162: Reach Out (I’ll Be There)

If you haven't been paying attention (and, based on the download statistics, you haven't), I'm part of a second podcast, where I take on more of a support role than as the lead voice. The show is called Words and Movies, in which my partner Sean Gallagher and I choose a pair of films and find the links between them. 



In an upcoming episode, we discuss a film from 2007 called Honeydripper, starring Danny Glover. There's a scene involving Glover's character and a blind musician played by Keb' Mo', who sings a couple of bars of "Stagger Lee," causing Glover to mutter, "I hate that song." We don't find out why until later in the film, but (spoiler alert) it's because when he was younger, he'd been in an incident similar to the one outlined in the song. 



The interesting thing here, though, is that the song "Stagger Lee" was always about one man killing another. But when Lloyd Price recorded the song, he recorded two versions: one in which one man kills another over a dice game, and another where they merely get into a fight over a pretty girl. (The second version was for American Bandstand and for radio consumption in more conservative areas of the country.) The experience that Glover's character went through as a younger man appears to be a mashup of both versions of the song. 



At any rate, "Stagger Lee" as a song has a very rich history, and it turns out to be rooted in a true story. Many times, when doing the research for an episode I reach a point where the more I dig, the more I find myself going in circles. This time, I tapped a rich mine of information, to the point where I found myself having to decide what to keep and what to toss to keep the episode to a reasonable length. 



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161: Stagger Lee

Pardon my allergies; I've sounded kind of rough for a week or so. There was a lot of throat-clearing to edit out of this one.  I can't even blame the Southern Studio on this one; it's the direct result of spending too much time cutting the grass at home. (And THEN I can blame the Southern Studio a little bit, because I went there the next day and it certainly didn't help matters.) 



How does one spend too much time cutting the grass? By having an electric mower and starting the job with a battery that isn't fully charged, that's how. 



This is an episode topic I've wanted to return to for a long time, but for some reason I kept procrastinating. But way, way back in Episode 11, I featured a bunch of songs that had mistakes in them which were discovered before the final product was released, but they decided they liked it better that way and ran with it. And today we return to that well for another dip. 



The tough part with songs like this is curating the best ones to use. Led Zeppelin often left in stray noises because they didn't really care (ringing phones), or because they were actually counting on it (squeaky pedal on Bonham's drum kit). So finding one that was both inadvertent and improved the recording? Absolute Gold, Jerry. Similarly, The Beatles would make an error in rehearsal or elsewhere and decide that that was something they needed to retain/reproduce (e.g. the wine bottle rattling at the end of "Long Long Long"), so those weren't really good candidates. 



And, of course, you run into a story which is just plain wrong. Yes, Ronnie Van Zant was talking to the board operator when he said "turn it up" while recording"Sweet Home Alabama," but he did not mourn the loss of doughnuts near the end. (What you're hearing is, "Montgomery's got the answer.") 



At any rate, I finally buckled down and did the necessary research, and I hope you have fun with this one as much as I did. 







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160: Failing Upward, Vol 2

Screen capture of McCarty during our Zoom-based interview.

Jim McCarty is one of the founding members of The Yardbirds, and he's recently published his second book, She Walks in Beauty: My Quest for the Bigger Picture. It's a journey that starts with the death of his wife Lizzie and then jumps back to earlier in his life, as he examines the various things that connect us to parts of the world that are just beyond our reach.

I was hooked immediately when I began reading this book, and no doubt you will be too. There's a search for spirituality weaved among stories about his musical career with, and since, the Yardbirds, and how the two occasionally intertwined. You can order the book from this site, or you can check out all the usual outlets (but it's guaranteed to be in stock there).

At any rate, because he's living in France and I'm living in Baltimore, he and I communicated via Skype. It was supposed to be Zoom, but he couldn't get it to work. Then I couldn't get it to work. So we bailed out and jumped over to Skype, where my camera wouldn't work but at least we could hear each other. I'm so glad we both persevered, because I think we had a fantastic conversation, and the date of the interview turned out to be important to both of us, for similar reasons.

At one point we talk about the Krishna Das cover of "For Your Love", which I gave him a heads-up that I wanted to talk about, and it turns out that he was quite familiar with it, and a little bit more. There's a short clip in the interview but the whole thing is here, and worth a listen. It's probably in my Top Ten all-time tracks:



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159: The Yardbirds’ Jim McCarty

When the Red Hot Chili Peppers' Blood Sugar Sex Magik first came out, I'd just left a job working in a record store and was doing some part-time work as a mobile DJ. I had a few regular gigs here and there on Long Island, which is where it's at when you do that sort of thing, because you get to know your crowd and who likes what, etc. Weddings and birthday parties, etc. were just Death on a Triscuit, because you have guests of all different ages, and the old people want to hear one thing, and the young people want to hear something else, and there are always arguments about the volume...feh. I hated doing that stuff.

At any rate, I was working in a bar in Franklin Square, NY at this point and this crowd absolutely loved this track. That was a cool bunch, with a lot of that adult alternative stuff. I enjoyed working there except for two things:

 	The equipment was stored in the bar's basement, which meant going outside into the alley out back, going downstairs to get it, dragging it upstairs and setting it up, and having to und0 it all at the end of the night;
 	The setup was on floor level, which meant that any drunk moron could—and sometimes did—crash directly into my stuff. And since I was still playing records sometimes, that made for some audio disasters.

I would have stayed longer if I hadn't broken my ankle and moved 30 miles away in the interim (long, long story there). I also liked my boss and he'd throw me other work from time to time. Ah, well.

Incidentally, I didn't mention this during the episode but the song has been covered about a dozen times and sampled more than twice that many. In fact, Busta Rhymes' "Break Ya Neck" owes so much to "Give it Away" that all of the musicians who played on "Give it Away" appear on the record's credits as co-writers. (It's not so much a sampling as it is Rhymes inserting the chorus into the song.)



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158: Give It Away

This is a show that I made a long while back specifically for the Patreon crowd. Those are the folks who have been supporting the program and helping me to cover some of the hosting and other costs attached to doing the show (e.g. subscriptions, software, etc.). In fact, it was so long ago that the show's logo changed in the interim. I had to re-do the cover art to accommodate the change. (Changing the lettering is easy; the rest of it was more complicated than it should have been. But now I'm just kvetching.)

Their money also funded the source materials for this particular episode. As it happens, there's only one place you can get it. And it's only available on LP, though with the LP came the ability to download digital files as well. At any rate, because the LP set was quite expensive, I decided to create the episode as a "Thank You" to those folks. I also knew that I would publish it to everyone else in the future, around this time of year.

For those of you who don't know: you can support the show financially at patreon.com/howgooditis. For a mere five bucks a month, you get a weekly newsletter where I share information from around the music world. The newsletter has a couple of Patron Saints, and that newsletter is delivered every single week (OK, there have been a couple of misses, usually due to illness) whether there's an episode or not. So while there haven't been any episodes in several weeks, the Patrons have been seeing newsletters.

So anyway: what we have in this super-sized episode is a look at the Golden Record. That's the collection of music curated by scientists and then mastered onto a disc, which was put on Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 and blasted off into space. The Voyagers are billions of miles away, and while their discovery by aliens is unlikely (because space is BIG, yo), there's a more-or-less permanent record (heh) of human culture out there in the universe.

This episode is a track-by-track view of the Golden Record. You don't hear most of the tracks in their entirety, but you do hear something from every track. It's a fascinating look at what was considered significant enough to represent the entire planet back in 1977.

157: Planet Earth’s Greatest Hits

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Ikigai–a special message for listeners

For the last few weeks I've been having some weird troubles with the websites for both this podcast and the other one (wordsandmovies.com, in case you didn't know), especially with the other one.  Pages would load slowly on my end, or not at all, which made it very difficult for me to post anything. And in the case of this site, it rendered releasing new episodes nearly (but not completely) impossible. So, after many hours on the phone with my webhost provider—most of them on hold—I finally gave up on them and moved the sites to a new location. 



A few bumps in the road were expected, and sure enough I got those. But for the most part everything has been going well over the last couple of days, so I took the time to record and post a new episode for you. (And apologies to the Patron crowd; that's the time I usually spend writing the newsletter.) There are still a few glitches here and there, and I'll be ironing those out as best I can. But I think in general we're all back on track. 



All that said, we're looking at a rather faithful cover of a song that, in turn, was a cover of another recording. However, that first cover was rather different from the original. To find out how different, you'll have to listen to the episode itself. But then, that's why you're here, isn't it. 



Despite being born in Westchester County, NY, Felix Cavaliere is closely associated with Long Island, enough so that he inducted Vanilla Fudge into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame. Most of Vanilla Fudge is from New Jersey, so there's that. I have to think that it's because both Vanilla Fudge and The Rascals earned a lot of their performing chops in Long Island clubs. At any rate, it was the "live" feel and energy of their performing "Good Lovin'" that the record's producers were hoping to capture when the track was cut, and it's pretty clear that they succeeded, even if Cavaliere and company didn't really like their performance on the record. In fact, they didn't think it would sell very well at all. 







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156: Good Lovin’

If you want to get technical about it, Looking Glass was NOT a one-hit wonder. 



"Brandy" was, to be sure, their biggest hit and the song that most people identify with the band. But "Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne," the opening track from their second album, spent only one week less on the Billboard Hot 100 chart than "Brandy" did. Okay, it peaked at #33 while "Brandy" spent most of its chart life at or near the top, but still. 



"Brandy (You're a Fine Girl)" was actually a departure from their usual sound, which was a little more Jersey Shore Rock and Roll. This wound up creating a little trouble for audiences who came to see them expecting to hear an entire evening of "Brandy"-grade music, and it probably contributed to the demise of the band. 



Founding member Elliot Lurie left the band in 1974 for a solo career, and by the end of the next year the band changed names twice and moved into a power pop/metal sound. That band, called Starz, did have a couple of hits and they do still play from time to time. Lurie, meanwhile, moved into the production and music supervision side of things for awhile, and occasionally returns to live performances. 







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155: Brandy (You’re a Fine Girl)

Wang Chung was a band that wasn't getting a lot of traction when they had a more traditionally Chinese name. I remember that early self-titled album Huang Chung and I have to admit I was a little put off by it, because it frankly wasn't especially cool-looking, so I didn't give it much of a chance. 



By the time their fourth album, Mosaic, came out, they'd switched labels a couple of times and had enlisted the help of people like David Geffen and Peter Wolf to get them on track. In fact, Wolf listened to the demo for "Everybody Have Fun Tonight" and made a suggestion that changed the tenor of the song, and turned it into the hit we all know and love (or hate, I don't know you). 



So after all that, what does it mean to "Wang Chung tonight"? Well, I think Nick Feldman explained it best. He said, "Wang Chung is the feeling, not the word. It represents an abstract, an escape from pragmatic, complex ideas. Wang Chung means whatever you want it to mean. Have fun with it. That's the whole idea of the line 'Everybody Wang Chung Tonight.' It can mean a tribal dance, a Viennese waltz, a party in New York, or whatever." 



And now you know. 







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154: Everybody Have Fun Tonight

OK, I know it's not midweek, as I'd promised. But I am back after an unscheduled hiatus, and with any luck I'll be posting more regularly. Patrons, I'll be updating you regularly in the Newsletter (which I swear won't be so much about me, but you're on the journey too and I do appreciate your support). 



"I Can Help" is one of those songs that managed to come together very quickly for Billy Swan, and it turned into his biggest hit as a songwriter, and his only hit as a performer. One of the things I like about it is the way that it feels like a generic offer of assistance, not unlike Bill Withers' "Lean On Me," and yet at the same time there's a little undercurrent of a guy who's desperate to get out of the Friend Zone ("If your child needs a daddy, I can help."—really?). But on the casual listen you don't really care, because of the way that Farfisa organ just carries you along, like you're in a skating rink and just along for the ride. 



One of the cool things about Billy Swan, though, is that he really wasn't cut out to be a rock star. He greatly preferred being the sideman. And as soon as all the excitement over "I Can Help" died down, he went beck to playing in Kris Kristofferson's tour band. Part of that, he thinks, is because he was never comfortable having to talk in between the songs. If all he had to do was sing, he'd probably be okay. 







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153: I Can Help

This episode is a special one, boys and berries. Mike Messner, from the podcast Carefree Highway Revisited, joined me a few weeks ago to talk about the Gordon Lightfoot hit "Sundown."



"Sundown" was Lightfoot's only song to reach Number One on the Billboard Hot 100. During our conversation we each took our own approach to the song. So what you're getting is a pretty well-rounded view of it. 



In addition, we make a couple of fun diversions to another Lightfoot song and my own personal heartaches. It's a fun ride, and I invite you to join us. 



If you're interested in listening to Mike's show, you can click on the link in the first paragraph, or just do a quick search in your favorite podcatcher. 







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152: Sundown (with guest Mike Messner)

Oh, I do enjoy breaking format once in awhile to do special episodes like this one. 



For this year's Christmas episode, I return to the songs that you don't seem to hear on the radio when the stations are playing All Christmas All The Time. You'd think that with the huge catalog of recordings to choose from (even if the list of songs is relatively limited), radio stations could go on for literally days without ever repeating a recording. But no, we're going to get Mariah Carey and Trans Siberian Orchestra over and over and over again. 



There was one station that managed to have a pretty deep catalog one year. It was out in Colorado and I think I went four hours before I heard a repeat. So that was pretty good. I don't think they're still doing that, though, more's the pity. 



I took a little more time to script this show than I did last year, so for those of you who are interested, there is a transcript this time. Last year, I was working off of notes, and it clearly shows. Hey, you live and you learn. Or you don't live long. (h/t to Lazarus Long)



Here's the playlist for this year's episode: 



Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer (1979 version)—Elmo and PatsyChristmas Kisses—Ray Anthony and the BookendsChristmas on the Block—Alan Mann BandCrabs for Christmas—David DeBoyChristmas Time (Don't Let the Bells End)—The DarknessHow to Make Gravy—Paul KellySanta Claus is Comin' to Town—Joseph Spence



And finally, let me note that Jenna Getty has come through again with a Christmassy version of the theme music, funded by the Patrons of the show. I haven't mentioned this enough: Patrons of the show got a special hour-long episode a couple of weeks ago as an extra "Thank You" for their support. Plus they get the Newsletter with my lame blatherings every single week, whether a show drops or not. And if you become a Patron of the show, you'll have access to all of that. If that sounds interesting to you, please click the link below. 



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151: More Obscure Christmas

When the B-52s first hit the music scene, even their own reaction to the sound of their first album was "this is SO bleak!" because it was relatively unproduced. There was no reverb, no echo, no studio tricks filling out the gaps in the recording. And then they decided they liked it that way. 



Their first single, "Rock Lobster," was originally much faster. Then it was slowed down a little and made longer. Then it was cut down for the 45. Then it was cut down again for the radio. It didn't matter; people liked it and they began to fill the clubs with their mashup of Surf Guitar and Punk with a splash of New Wave thrown in. The song never really tore up the Billboard charts but it's still the B-52s' signature song and we can't imagine a performance without it. 







That's some stupid artwork, isn't it. They can't all be gems. I should note that the lobster photograph was taken by David Clode for Unsplash. Any adulterations to it are mine. 



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150: Rock Lobster

This whole episode came about because of a request by someone who wanted to hear the story behind a song. Unfortunately there wasn't a lot to it, but it got me thinking about other songs with similar subject matter. And now that I'm typing this, I realize that all the songs I discuss came from roughly the same period of time. What the hell was going on in the late 70s, anyway? 



Ah, well. With this episode I feel as though I've bookended a series that I started all the way back in Episode 80. Here's a couple of panels from a Sunday Doonesbury strip from 1979. Nerd that I was (OK, am), I remember when this first appeared: 







For what it's worth, "Songs about prostitutes" is a well I could come back to repeatedly. I'm not sure I have the mental stamina to do so, frankly. 







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149: Musical Hookers

John Hall, you may remember from a couple of episodes ago, is the founder of the band Orleans. He recently released a solo album, his seventh (if you count the John Hall Band material). After spending some time in local and national politics, he returned to Orleans and they're still making music. In fact, at the time of the previous interview they were putting the finishing touches on Orleans' first Christmas album. 



That album is now finished and is available for your purchasing and listening pleasure. It's called New Star Shining, and it's a great piece of work. There's a lot of original material, a traditional Christmas carol and a single song from more recent holiday music canon. For lack of a better term, it's a kind of Yacht Rock Christmas album. I think the rowdiest track on it is their version of "Winter Wonderland." 



John and I met in the atrium of a Nashville hotel (more details during the show itself), and I do hope you'll forgive a little ambient noise. Plus, there was a little bit of both of us fidgeting with our handheld microphones. For all that, once again John comes through as a very thoughtful fellow. By that I mean he's not spouting out canned answers to the questions I asked (although some of them were inadvertentely rehearsed--my recorder failed and we had to start over again). And even with that technical glitch, he was both gracious and forgiving, and managed to make me feel not as stupid as I originally felt when I looked at the recorder in horror and realized what happened. 



Also, I'm a complete idiot because I didn't ask for an autograph, or a selfie of the two of us, or anything. So this recording is the only evidence that we were in the same space together. 



As an aside, the next day I was in the Podcast Movement conference and chatting with the people from ElectroVoice Microphones. I was using some new EV microphones for the interview. I told them about my interview "right over there in the atrium," and some of the issues I had with the fidgeting noises and such. While we chatted, one of the EV reps walked away and then came back. He handed me a box and said, "Here, try this one." It was a different model microphone, which he said would probably solve that problem. Boom! Free microphone! I used it to record some other material you'll hear in an upcoming episode and I think you'll notice the difference! This is why I worship at the Church of ElectroVoice. I did get the opportunity to thank them again a couple of days later. 



So here is my follow-up interview with John, which we did during the first week of August this past summer. Enjoy!







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148: Another Chat With John Hall

I gotta tell you, I've been trying like a maniac to record this episode for several days. 



I typically take a break in August when I go to the Podcast Movement confab (every other year, it seems), and I come back with a bunch of actionable ideas and a few new contacts, and I kind of have to let it percolate in my head before I'm ready to come back. 



In the meantime, I was working on a David Bowie episode, and I frankly got writer's block. I was going in a hundred directions at once, and the story wasn't jelling right for me, so finally I abandoned it in favor of this one. 



And then, both of the computers that I use to produce this show died on me within a day of one another. I knew they were probably fixable, so I took them to my local shop, a guy I've used for years and would trust with my search history at this point. My problem is that he's really, really good and other people have figured it out, so now instead of a few days, the repairs are more like two weeks. 



I decided to persevere--after all, I don't use the desktops when I'm in the Southern Studio, right? But for whatever reason, the laptop wasn't cooperating with recording. I sounded bad. I mean, really bad. After three fixes and three re-tries, it still sounded terrible. But fortunately, I got the word that the computers were ready for pickup this morning. So I spent a chunk of the evening re-assembling my studio (with the able help of my daughter), and then re-re-re-recorded the show. By this point I nearly had the thing memorized and I barely glanced at the script. 



Anyway, it's been a frustrating few weeks and I thank you for hanging in there with me. I do have some cool stuff coming up over the next few episodes, some of it related to my trip to Nashville. I also have something that I've never done before: I'm working on a special Patron Exclusive episode which should be ready to go pretty soon. I had a pretty cool idea but it cost me a few bucks to get the source material, so I figured that the people whose donations made it possible for me to make that purchase should get first crack at it. And, incidentally, during this hiatus they got a newsletter every week except one, when I made the inexplicable mistake a couple of weeks ago of writing a newsletter and then not sending it out. 







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147: 99 Luftballons

John Hall has been around the block a few times, and he's not finished traveling. 



In fact, when he and I chatted via Skype a short time ago, he was in the middle of a move from New York to Tennessee, and making that move in between gigs for both his solo shows and with the band that cemented his position in the Rock and Roll firmament, Orleans. 



In this episode we talk about the early days of his career, including how a couple of Orleans' first few hits came to be. We also get into his time away from the band, working on solo projects and how that turned into dedicating himself to environmental causes. And how that, in turn, provided the impetus for him to embark on a political career for several years. He managed to sponsor some legislation that not only received vocal bipartisan support, it actually passed with a bipartisan vote. It was a pretty significant piece of law, and he'll tell you about it during the show.  



After a health scare, John returned to playing music, both with Orleans and with his solo projects. He chronicled his journey in a book called Still the One: A Rock and Roll Journey to Congress and Back a couple of years ago, and this past year he released a solo album called Reclaiming My Time. (These are Amazon links but I don't get affiliate money for them.) And during the interview he also talks about a special project that Orleans is working on, which will be coming out in the fall.



 



During the interview, I made mention of Orleans performing "Dancing in the Moonlight" and mistakenly said I thought the clip was from the late 70s, when they first covered it as the title track for an album. In fact, that performance was from 2006 and I present it here: 




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7QMsALoZMQ&ab_channel=JohnMarsden




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