Will the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit against Fox News be a watershed moment? Is the media industry beyond repair? Sean Illing is joined by media reporter Brian Stelter, the former host of CNN’s Reliable Sources and the author of Hoax. Together, they reflect on the relationship of news, entertainment, and politics and what the consequences of the Dominion suit might be.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Brian Stelter, (@brianstelter) author; former TV news host; media reporter
References: 


Hoax by Brian Stelter (Simon & Schuster, 2021)


Top of the Morning: Inside the Cutthroat World of Morning TV by Brian Stelter (Grand Central, 2019)


“How Not to Cover a Bank Run” by Brian Stelter (The Atlantic, March 2023)


“I Never Truly Understood Fox News Until Now” by Brian Stelter (The Atlantic, February 2023)


“Mass Delusion in America” by Jeffrey Goldberg (The Atlantic, January 2021)

Brian Stelter’s Substack

 
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Brian Stelter thinks the news has a reliability problem

Sean Illing speaks with Matthew Jones, historian of science and technology, and co-author (with data scientist Chris Wiggins) of the new book How Data Happened. They discuss the surprisingly long history of data from the 18th century to today, in service of explaining how we wound up in a world where our personal information is mined by giant corporations for profit. They talk about how the allure of measurement and precision spread from astronomy to the social sciences, why advertising became so bound to the operation of the internet, and how we can imagine a more democratic future for us and our data, given the unprecedented power of today's tech companies.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Matthew L. Jones (@nescioquid), author; James R. Barker Professor of Contemporary Civilization, Columbia University
References: 


How Data Happened: A History from the Age of Reason to the Age of Algorithms by Chris Wiggins and Matthew L. Jones (W.W. Norton; 2023)


"How Alan Turing Cracked The Enigma Code" (Imperial War Museum)


Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass media by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky (1988)


"The manipulation of the American mind: Edward Bernays and the birth of public relations" by Richard Gunderman (The Conversation; July 9, 2015)


On Herbert Simon (The Economist; Mar. 20, 2009)


The Age of Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuboff (Profile; 2019)

Jeffrey Hammerbacher quoted in "This Tech Bubble Is Different" by Ashlee Vance (Bloomberg Businessweek; Apr. 14, 2011)

 
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How corporations got all your data

Is our society's fixation with success hindering our ability to find humility? Sean Illing speaks with Costica Bradatan about his new book In Praise of Failure: Four Lessons in Humility, which explores failure through the lives of historical figures like Gandhi and the philosopher Simone Weil. They discuss the benefits of engaging with our limits and what we can learn from those who've embraced failure.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Costica Bradatan, Professor at Texas Tech University and Honorary Research Professor of Philosophy at University of Queensland in Australia, Religion/Philosophy editor for the Los Angeles Review of Books, and author of In Praise of Failure: Four Lessons in Humility.
References: 


In Praise of Failure: Four Lessons in Humility by  Costica Bradatan (Harvard University Press, 2023)


The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus, translated by Justin O'Brien (Vintage Books, 1991)


The Birth of Tragedy by Friedrich Nietzsche, translated by Walter Kaufman (1872)


The Trouble with Being Born by E.M. Cioran, translated by Richard Howard (Arcade Publishing, 1973)


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The case for failure

Sean Illing speaks with poet and historian Jennifer Michael Hecht, whose new book The Wonder Paradox asks: if we don't have God or religion, what — if anything — do we lose? They discuss how religion accesses meaning — through things like prayer, ceremony, and ritual — and Jennifer speaks on the ways that poetry can play similar roles in a secular way. They also discuss some of the "tricks" that poets use, share favorite poems, and explore what it would mean to "live the questions" — and even learn to love them — without having the answers.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Jennifer Michael Hecht (@Freudeinstein), poet, historian; author
References: 


The Wonder Paradox: Embracing the Weirdness of Existence and the Poetry of Our Lives by Jennifer Michael Hecht (FSG; 2023)


Doubt: A History by Jennifer Michael Hecht (HarperOne; 2004)

Rainer Maria Rilke, from a 1903 letter to Franz Kappus, published in Letters to a Young Poet (pub. 1929)


Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman (1855)


"Why do parrots live so long?" by Charles Q. Choi (LiveScience; May 23, 2022)

"The survival of poetry depends on the failure of language," from The Tree of Meaning: Language, Mind, and Ecology by Robert Bringhurst (Counterpoint; 2009)


"Traveler, There Is No Road" ("Caminante, no hay camino") by Antonio Machado (1917)


"A Free Man's Worship" by Bertrand Russell (1903)


Totality and Infinity: An Essay on Exteriority by Emmanuel Levinas (1961)

 
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Poetry as religion

In America, there's been an increase of available jobs, and there's also been a series of high-profile layoffs, strikes, and calls for unionization. The social safety net for workers is disappearing, so what can people do? Sean Illing speaks with Alissa Quart about her new book, Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream, about why people need to rid themselves of the American Dream's individualistic ideals and embrace dependence in order to succeed.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Alissa Quart (@lisquart), author of nonfiction and poetry, and co-creator of the Economic Hardship Reporting Project
References: 


Bootstrapped: Liberating Ourselves from the American Dream by Alissa Quart (Harper Collins, 2023)


Squeezed: Why Our Families Can’t Afford America by Alissa Quart (Harper Collins, 2019)


Tailspin: The People and Forces Behind America’s Fifty-Year Fall–And Those Fighting To Reverse It by Steven Brill (Penguin Random House, 2018)

 
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Revisiting the American Dream

The giant panda is no longer endangered. This, of course, is good news. But the model of conservation that worked to protect these iconic bears has failed to help the countless other threatened species on Earth, most of which are far less charismatic. Guest host Benji Jones talks with Jason Gilchrist, a wildlife ecologist. They discuss if there is another way we should approach conservation, what exactly we should be trying to save, and why.
Host: Benji Jones (@BenjiSJones), Senior Environmental Reporter, Vox
Guest: Jason Gilchrist (@jgilchrist13), ecologist and lecturer at Edinburgh Napier University
References: 
“We pulled pandas back from the brink of extinction. Meanwhile, the rest of nature collapsed.” by Benji Jones (Vox, 2023)

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The cost of saving pandas

Sean Illing speaks with marriage and family therapist Vienna Pharaon, whose new book The Origins of You aims to help us identify and heal the wounds that originated from our family, which shape our patterns of behavior in relationships and throughout our lives. Sean and Vienna talk about how we can spot and name our "origin wounds," discuss practical wisdom to help break free from the ways these pains grip us, and Sean directly confronts some real issues from his upbringing and family life.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Vienna Pharaon (@mindfulmft), marriage & family therapist; author
References: 


The Origins of You: How Breaking Family Patterns Can Liberate the Way We Live and Love by Vienna Pharaon (G.P. Putnam's Sons; 2023)


When the Body Says No: The Cost of Hidden Stress by Dr. Gabor Maté (Wiley; 2011)

 
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Breaking our family patterns

Guest host Alissa Wilkinson talks with Dr. Robin R. Means Coleman about her new book, The Black Guy Dies First: Black Horror Cinema from Fodder to Oscar. Dr. Coleman is the Vice President & Associate Provost for Diversity and Inclusion and Chief Diversity Officer at Northwestern University, where she is a Professor of Communication Studies. Together, they discuss the tropes in Black horror, and how inequity in Hollywood has shaped the attitudes of a nation toward Black people.

Host: Alissa Wilkinson (@alissamarie), senior culture writer, Vox
Guest: Dr. Robin R. Means Coleman (@MeansColeman), co-author of The Black Guy Dies First: Black Horror Cinema from Fodder to Oscar, Vice President & Associate Provost for Diversity & Inclusion, Professor of Communication Studies
References: 


The Black Guy Dies First: Black Horror Cinema from Fodder to Oscar by Robin R. Means Coleman and Mark H. Harris (Simon & Schuster, 2023)


Horror Noire: A History Of Black Horror  (Xavier Burgin, 2021)

 
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For Black horror fans, fact is scarier than fiction

Sean Illing talks with political science professor Matt McManus about the political thought of Friedrich Nietzsche, the 19th-century German philosopher with a complicated legacy, despite his crossover into popular culture. They discuss how Nietzsche's work has been interpreted — and misinterpreted — since his death in 1900, how his radical political views emerge from his body of work, and how we can use Nietzsche's philosophy in order to interpret some key features of our contemporary politics.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Matt McManus (@MattPolProf), lecturer, University of Michigan; author

Referenced works by Friedrich Nietzsche (1844–1900): 

Ecce Homo (1888; published posthumously), Thus Spoke Zarathustra (1883), Beyond Good and Evil (1886), Twilight of the Idols (1888), The Birth of Tragedy (1872), The Antichrist (1888; published posthumously), The Gay Science (1882)

References: 


Nietzsche and the Politics of Reaction: Essays on Liberalism, Socialism, and Aristocratic Radicalism, ed. Matthew McManus (Palgrave; 2023)


The Political Right and Equality: Turning Back the Tide of Egalitarian Modernity by Matthew McManus (Routledge; forthcoming)


Nietzsche's Great Politics by Hugo Drochon (Princeton; 2016)

Nietzsche's Letter to Georg Brandes (Dec. 2, 1887)


Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist by Walter Kaufmann (Princeton; 2013)

“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?” from Nietzsche's The Gay Science, §125 (1882; tr. W. Kaufmann)


"Atheist bus campaign spreads the word of no God nationwide" by Riazat Butt (The Guardian; Jan. 6, 2009)

"Since Copernicus man has been rolling from the center toward X," from Nietzsche's The Will To Power, published posthumously in 1901.

Immanuel Kant, Metaphysics of Morals (1797)


Kierkegaard's Attack Upon "Christendom", 1854-1855 (tr. Walter Lowrie)


Nietzsche, the Aristocratic Rebel by Domenico Losurdo (Brill; 2019)

Joseph de Maistre, Considerations on France (1797)


"Does Liberalism Mean Supporting Communism?" by Matthew McManus (Liberal Currents; Jan. 4, 2022)

Frantz Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth (1963)


United States of Socialism by Dinesh D'Souza (All Points; 2020)


"The alt-right is drunk on bad readings of Nietzsche. The Nazis were too" by Sean Illing (Vox; Dec. 30, 2018)

The Third Reich series by Richard J. Evans

Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (1957)

 
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Taking Nietzsche seriously

Sean Illing speaks with Malcolm Harris, a journalist, critic, and author of the new book Palo Alto: A History of California, Capitalism, and the World. Together, they discuss the weird history of the city that's birthed Stanford University, Hewlett Packard, Theranos, and the model of capitalism that's made an impact across the globe.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Malcolm Harris (@BigMeanInternet), journalist, critic and author
References: 


Palo Alto: A History of California, Capitalism, and the World by Malcolm Harris (Little Brown; 2023)


Kids These Days: Human Capital and the Making of Millennials by Malcolm Harris (Little Brown; 2017)


"CDC investigates why so many students in wealthy Palo Alto, Calif., commit suicide" by Yanan Wang (The Washington Post, Feb. 16th, 2016)


“The undocumented workers who built Silicon Valley” by Louis Hyman (The Washington Post, Aug. 30th, 2018)

Stanford University Land Acknowledgement


"Meet The PayPal Mafia, the Richest Group Of Men In Silicon Valley" by Charlie Parrish (The Telegraph, Sep. 20th, 2014)

 
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The dark history of Silicon Valley

Guest host Rebecca Jennings talks with Justin Charity, cultural critic and senior staff writer at The Ringer, about what it means to be dubbed a "hater" on the internet. Rebecca and Justin talk about the role of criticism and the evolving ways in which critics and fans clash online. They discuss how a bad review (or a review seen as bad) can spark a far-ranging backlash, how the meme-ified cry of "let people enjoy things" has been taken from its original context, and what — if anything — might change the dynamics between fans and critics.
Host: Rebecca Jennings (@rebexxxxa), senior correspondent, Vox
Guest: Justin Charity, senior staff writer, The Ringer; co-host of the Sound Only podcast
References: 


"'Hater' doesn't have to be a dirty word" by Rebecca Jennings (Vox; Jan. 18)


"2022 Was the Year of the Metaverse — Until It Wasn't" by Justin Charity (The Ringer; Dec. 29, 2022)


"Why Did Everyone Claim to Enjoy Kendrick Lamar's 'To Pimp A Butterfly'?" by Justin Charity (Complex; Nov. 3, 2015)


"Jake Paul Exposed as $2.2M Serial Crypto Scammer" by Robert D. Knight & Levy Prata (Beincrypto; Mar. 8, 2022)


"Taylor Swift Super Fans Are Furious About a Good Review" by Gita Jackson (Vice; July 31, 2020)


"The YouTubers are not okay" by Rebecca Jennings (Vox; May 10, 2022)


"How 'let people enjoy things' became a fight against criticism" by Constance Grady (Vox; May 16, 2019)


The original "let people enjoy things" webcomic, by Adam Ellis (Feb. 3, 2016)


"Like This or Die" by Christian Lorenzen (Harpers; Apr. 2019)

@talialichtstein on TikTok


"Meet the most obsessive Bill Simmons fans online" by Luke Winkie (The Outline; Jan. 2, 2020)


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The value of being a "hater"

Sean Illing speaks with Rosa Brooks, a former reserve police officer and current law professor at Georgetown University. Brooks wrote Tangled Up in Blue: Policing the American City about her experience going through the police academy and becoming a cop on the streets of Washington, DC. They discuss what she saw during her time on the force, some of the differences between how cops see their jobs and how things are, and what could be done differently to fix American policing.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Rosa Brooks (@brooks_rosa), author; professor of law and policy, Georgetown University
References: 


Tangled Up in Blue: Policing the American City by Rosa Brooks (Penguin; 2021)


“Any situation can turn lethal in an instant, and other lessons I learned at the police academy” by Rosa Brooks (Los Angeles Times; Feb. 21, 2021)


"New Perspectives in Policing: From Warriors to Guardians" by: Sue Rahr and Stephen K. Rice (PDF; NIJ and The Harvard Kennedy School)


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Behind the blue wall

Guest host Fabiola Cineas talks with author, lawyer, and organizer Derecka Purnell about her recent book Becoming Abolitionists. They discuss Derecka's journey to defending the idea of police abolition, and what that position really entails. They explore questions about the historical and social role of policing in society, how to imagine a future where we radically rethink our system of criminal justice, and how we can acknowledge and incorporate current data about crime — while still rethinking our inherited assumptions about police.
This was originally released in Jan. 2022 as an episode of Vox Conversations.

Host: Fabiola Cineas (@FabiolaCineas), reporter, Vox.com
Guest: Derecka Purnell (@dereckapurnell), author
References: 


Becoming Abolitionists: Police, Protests, and the Pursuit of Freedom by Derecka Purnell (Astra House; 2021)


Police shootings database 2015-2023 (Washington Post)


The Black Jacobins: Toussaint L'Ouverture and the San Domingo Revolution by C.L.R. James (Vintage; 1989)


Black Reconstruction in America 1860–1880 by W.E.B. Du Bois (1935)


"One American city's model of policing reform means building 'social currency'" by Nathan Layne (June 12, 2020; Reuters)


"The Camden Police Department is Not a Model for Policing in the Post-George Floyd Era" by Brendan McQuade (June 12, 2020; The Appeal)


"Murder Rose by Almost 30% in 2020. It's Rising at a Slower Rate in 2021" by Jeff Asher (Sept. 22, 2021; New York Times)


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Best of: Imagine a future with no police

Sean Illing speaks with Alana Newhouse, the editor-in-chief of Tablet magazine. They discuss her recent essay on "brokenism," a term she coined in an effort to redefine political divisions in America. Newhouse argues that the most salient divide right now is between those who want to fix the institutions we have and those who want to burn it all down and start fresh.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Alana Newhouse (@alananewhouse) editor-in-chief, Tablet
References: 


“Brokenism” by Alana Newhouse (Tablet, Nov. 21, 2022)


“Everything is Broken” by Alana Newhouse (Tablet, Jan. 14, 2021)


"See Workers as Workers, Not as a College Credential" by The New York Times Editorial Board (Jan. 28)


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Is America broken?

Sean Illing talks with Noah Hawley, the creator and showrunner of the anthology drama Fargo on FX, as well as a celebrated novelist whose newest book is Anthem (2022). They discuss themes stemming from Hawley's recent piece in the Atlantic about myths, stories, and tropes from the Old West (and Hollywood) that are still powerful and active in shaping American society. Hawley also talks about why we're drawn to shows like Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead, what to expect on the forthcoming fifth season of Fargo, and what his new novel says about the future.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Noah Hawley (@noahhawley), novelist; tv/film director
References: 


"It's High Noon in America" by Noah Hawley (The Atlantic; Dec. 19, 2022)


Anthem by Noah Hawley (Grand Central; 2022)


Slaughterhouse-Five, or, The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death by Kurt Vonnegut (1969)


"'Duck Dynasty' vs. 'Modern Family': 50 Maps of the U.S. Cultural Divide" by Josh Katz (New York Times; Dec. 27, 2016)


"The sex-trafficking investigation of Matt Gaetz, explained" by Amber Phillips (Washington Post; Jan. 27, 2022)


The Trial by Franz Kafka (1925)

 
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The creator of Fargo is done with good guys vs. bad guys

Sean Illing talks with Glory Liu, the author of Adam Smith’s America: How a Scottish Philosopher became an Icon of American Capitalism. Smith is most well-known for being the “father of capitalism,” but as Liu points out in her book, his legacy has been misappropriated — especially in America. They discuss his original intentions and what we can take away from his work today.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Glory Liu (@miss_glory), author; lecturer, Harvard University
References: 


Adam Smith’s America: How a Scottish Philosopher became an Icon of American Capitalism by Glory Liu (Princeton; 2022)


Adam Smith: An Enlightened Life by Nicholas Phillipson (Yale; 2012)



Free to Choose: A Personal Statement by Milton & Rose Friedman (Harcourt; 1980)


“Adam Smith’s ‘History of Astronomy’ and view of science” by Kwangsu Kim (Cambridge Journal of Economics v. 36; 2012)


Works by Adam Smith:


The Wealth of Nations (1776)


Theory of Moral Sentiments (1759)


Lectures on Jurisprudence (1763)

 
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Revisiting the "father of capitalism"

Guest host Sigal Samuel talks with Holden Karnofsky about effective altruism, a movement flung into public scrutiny with the collapse of Sam Bankman-Fried and his crypto exchange, FTX. They discuss EA’s approach to charitable giving, the relationship between effective altruism and the moral philosophy of utilitarianism, and what reforms might be needed for the future of the movement.
Note: In August 2022, Bankman-Fried’s philanthropic family foundation, Building a Stronger Future, awarded Vox’s Future Perfect a grant for a 2023 reporting project. That project is now on pause.

Host: Sigal Samuel (@SigalSamuel), Senior Reporter, Vox
Guest: Holden Karnofsky, co-founder of GiveWell; CEO of Open Philanthropy
References: 


"Effective altruism gave rise to Sam Bankman-Fried. Now it's facing a moral reckoning" by Sigal Samuel (Vox; Nov. 16, 2022)


"The Reluctant Prophet of Effective Altruism" by Gideon Lewis-Kraus (New Yorker; Aug. 8, 2022)


"Sam Bankman-Fried tries to explain himself" by Kelsey Piper (Vox; Nov. 16, 2022)


"EA is about maximization, and maximization is perilous" by Holden Karnofsky (Effective Altruism Forum; Sept. 2, 2022)


"Defending One-Dimensional Ethics" by Holden Karnofsky (Cold Takes blog; Feb. 15, 2022)


"Future-proof ethics" by Holden Karnofsky (Cold Takes blog; Feb. 2, 2022)


"Bayesian mindset" by Holden Karnofsky (Cold Takes blog; Dec. 21, 2021)


"EA Structural Reform Ideas" by Carla Zoe Cremer (Nov. 12, 2022)


"Democratising Risk: In Search of a Methodology to Study Existential Risk" by Carla Cremer and Luke Kemp (SSRN; Dec. 28, 2021)

 
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Can effective altruism be redeemed?

Sean Illing talks with writer and reporter Jerusalem Demsas about the causes of homelessness in America. They discuss our ideas of home ownership, and how our country’s cultural expectations and policies are working against us. 

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Jerusalem Demsas (@JerusalemDemsas) staff writer, The Atlantic
References: 


“The Homeownership Society Was a Mistake” by Jerusalem Demsas (The Atlantic; Dec. 20, 2022)


“The Obvious Answer to Homelessness and Why Everyone’s Ignoring It” by Jerusalem Demsas (The Atlantic; Dec. 12, 2022)


“The Billionaire’s Dilemma” by Jerusalem Demsas (The Atlantic; Aug. 4, 2022)


“Stuck! The Law and Economics of Residential Stagnation” by David Schleicher (Yale Law Review; Oct. 2017)


“Black Americans And The Racist Architecture of Homeownership” by Alisa Chang, Christopher Intagliata, and Jonaki Mehta (NPR; May 8, 2021)

 
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The roots of homelessness

Sean Illing talks with author Thomas Chatterton Williams about race and identity in America. Thomas has analyzed racial identity through the lens of his own upbringing, and the performativity and pressures he experienced. In conversation with Sean, Thomas speaks about how he sees these identities as restrictive connections to the racial oppressions of the past, whether it's possible to achieve liberation without sacrificing solidarity, and on the complex interplay between race and class.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill), author; contributing writer, The Atlantic
References: 


Self-Portrait in Black and White: Family, Fatherhood, and Rethinking Race by Thomas Chatterton Williams (W.W. Norton; 2019)


Losing My Cool: Love, Literature, and a Black Man's Escape from the Crowd by Thomas Chatterton Williams (Penguin; 2011)


White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo (Beacon; 2018)


"Camus' Stance on Algeria Still Stokes Debate in France" by Eleanor Beardsley (NPR; Nov. 7, 2013)


The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky (1880)


Between the World and Me by Ta-Nehisi Coates (One World; 2018)


South to a Very Old Place by Albert Murray (Vintage; 1991)


"The limits of anti-racism" by Adolph Reed (2009)

 
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Can race be transcended?

Sean Illing talks with Timnit Gebru, the founder of the Distributed AI Research Institute. She studies the ethics of artificial intelligence and is an outspoken critic of companies developing new AI systems. Sean and Timnit discuss the power dynamics in the world of AI, the discriminatory outcomes that these technologies can cause, and the need for accountability and transparency in the field.

Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Timnit Gebru (@timnitGebru), founder, Distributed AI Research Institute
References: 


“The Exploited Labor Behind Artificial Intelligence" by Adrienne Williams, Milagros Miceli, and Timnit Gebru (Noema; Oct. 13, 2022)


“Effective Altruism is Push a Dangerous Brand of ‘AI Safety’” by Timnit Gebru (Wired; Nov. 30, 2022)


Datasheets for Datasets by Timnit Gebru, et al. (CACM; Dec. 2021)


“In Emergencies, Should You Trust a Robot?” by John Toon (Georgia Tech; Feb. 29, 2016)


“We read the paper that forced Timnit Gebru out of Google. Here’s what it says” by Karen Hao (MIT Technology Review; Dec. 4, 2020)


“On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big?” by Timnit Gebru, et al. (Proceedings of the 2021 ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency; March 2021)

 
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